Comments on: TAKE THE DEAL OMAR, TAKE THE DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/ A daily account of the trials and tribulations of the New York Mets. Contact me at sinymets@aol.com Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:27:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Sheahey http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-35646 Sheahey Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:52:45 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/#comment-35646 Sit tight. It is obvious by now that no one is breaking down the twins door for Santana. They Yanks have a serious luxury tax issue that even they are paying attention to ( well Hal Steinbrenner is and he controls the $). The Red Sox really do not want to give up Ellsbury or anyone to get him , plus their rotation of Dice K, Lester , Bucholtz , Wakefield and Mr. Becket is to their liking and they want to stand pato if they can. Wait and you can have Santana without giving up more. Wait, Omar, wait.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('35646','Sheahey'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('35646','Sheahey','Sit tight. It is obvious by now that no one is breaking down the twins door for Santana. They Yanks have a serious luxury tax issue that even they are paying attention to ( well Hal Steinbrenner is and he controls the $). The Red Sox really do not want to give up Ellsbury or anyone to get him , plus their rotation of Dice K, Lester , Bucholtz , Wakefield and Mr. Becket is to their liking and they want to stand pato if they can. Wait and you can have Santana without giving up more. Wait, Omar, wait.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Sit tight. It is obvious by now that no one is breaking down the twins door for Santana. They Yanks have a serious luxury tax issue that even they are paying attention to ( well Hal Steinbrenner is and he controls the $). The Red Sox really do not want to give up Ellsbury or anyone to get him , plus their rotation of Dice K, Lester , Bucholtz , Wakefield and Mr. Becket is to their liking and they want to stand pato if they can. Wait and you can have Santana without giving up more. Wait, Omar, wait.
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]]> By: Johnny Metsie http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-35571 Johnny Metsie Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:47:29 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/#comment-35571 Is everyone going mad!!!???? 5 prospects for 1 pitcher who could break down on any given day? Does anyone remember the trade with these very same team that brought us Cy Young winner Frank Viola for Rick Aguilera, Kevin Tapani, David West and 2 others. Viola won 20 games for the Mets in 1990 on his last start. In 1991, he was 12-2 at the half and then shrunk faster than a cheap suit from Wal-Mart the second half with a 1-13 record. After that he was gone and he had surgery and "Sweet Music" became a horrible Karaoke Show. Aguilera and Tapani became integral parts in the Minnesota Twins exciting World Series victory in 1991. Aguilera saved 3 of the ALCS games and 2 in the Series and won game 6. Heavens to Kranepool, he saved 42 games that year! Tapani was 16-9 that same year becoming their second best pitcher after jack morris! Gving up both, Gomez and Martinez is preposterous. It's not like my Metsies are set in the outfield for years to come. They have a fragile dinosaur in left field and an "Art Shamsky" in right. (Anyone remember him?)Both players are not pieces of long time plans in Metsie county. I say hold on till Minnesota blinks. Boston is not going to tinker with their success as they have a pitcher that is a proven winner and would have to tear up his contract to match santana's and the Yankees are not going to pawn their farm knowing that they have some blue chip prospects that possibly could be mentioned in the same breath as Santana in a couple of years. So Met fans, let's not get panicky. Remember if the Mets wouldn't have traded Nolan Ryan, they would have won the '73 Series against Oakland. That staff would have had Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Jerry Koosman and Jon Matlack. Not a bad quartet, huh? It would have been the Mets that would have had the dynasty that the A's enjoyed during that same period. I've been watching my Amazin's since their inception in '62 and I have suffered for many more seasons than I enjoyed but at 53, i have learned that patience is virtue. What if Humber and Mulvey become this year's Aguilera and Tapani or more recently, Scott Kazmir? Sit back, let the brass do their job and I'm beginning to smell spring training right around the corner. PLAY BALL!!!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('35571','Johnny Metsie'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('35571','Johnny Metsie','Is everyone going mad!!!???? 5 prospects for 1 pitcher who could break down on any given day? Does anyone remember the trade with these very same team that brought us Cy Young winner Frank Viola for Rick Aguilera, Kevin Tapani, David West and 2 others. Viola won 20 games for the Mets in 1990 on his last start. In 1991, he was 12-2 at the half and then shrunk faster than a cheap suit from Wal-Mart the second half with a 1-13 record. After that he was gone and he had surgery and \"Sweet Music\" became a horrible Karaoke Show. Aguilera and Tapani became integral parts in the Minnesota Twins exciting World Series victory in 1991. Aguilera saved 3 of the ALCS games and 2 in the Series and won game 6. Heavens to Kranepool, he saved 42 games that year! Tapani was 16-9 that same year becoming their second best pitcher after jack morris! Gving up both, Gomez and Martinez is preposterous. It\'s not like my Metsies are set in the outfield for years to come. They have a fragile dinosaur in left field and an \"Art Shamsky\" in right. (Anyone remember him?)Both players are not pieces of long time plans in Metsie county. I say hold on till Minnesota blinks. Boston is not going to tinker with their success as they have a pitcher that is a proven winner and would have to tear up his contract to match santana\'s and the Yankees are not going to pawn their farm knowing that they have some blue chip prospects that possibly could be mentioned in the same breath as Santana in a couple of years. So Met fans, let\'s not get panicky. Remember if the Mets wouldn\'t have traded Nolan Ryan, they would have won the \'73 Series against Oakland. That staff would have had Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Jerry Koosman and Jon Matlack. Not a bad quartet, huh? It would have been the Mets that would have had the dynasty that the A\'s enjoyed during that same period. I\'ve been watching my Amazin\'s since their inception in \'62 and I have suffered for many more seasons than I enjoyed but at 53, i have learned that patience is virtue. What if Humber and Mulvey become this year\'s Aguilera and Tapani or more recently, Scott Kazmir? Sit back, let the brass do their job and I\'m beginning to smell spring training right around the corner. PLAY BALL!!!!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Is everyone going mad!!!???? 5 prospects for 1 pitcher who could break down on any given day? Does anyone remember the trade with these very same team that brought us Cy Young winner Frank Viola for Rick Aguilera, Kevin Tapani, David West and 2 others. Viola won 20 games for the Mets in 1990 on his last start. In 1991, he was 12-2 at the half and then shrunk faster than a cheap suit from Wal-Mart the second half with a 1-13 record. After that he was gone and he had surgery and “Sweet Music” became a horrible Karaoke Show. Aguilera and Tapani became integral parts in the Minnesota Twins exciting World Series victory in 1991. Aguilera saved 3 of the ALCS games and 2 in the Series and won game 6. Heavens to Kranepool, he saved 42 games that year! Tapani was 16-9 that same year becoming their second best pitcher after jack morris! Gving up both, Gomez and Martinez is preposterous. It’s not like my Metsies are set in the outfield for years to come. They have a fragile dinosaur in left field and an “Art Shamsky” in right. (Anyone remember him?)Both players are not pieces of long time plans in Metsie county. I say hold on till Minnesota blinks. Boston is not going to tinker with their success as they have a pitcher that is a proven winner and would have to tear up his contract to match santana’s and the Yankees are not going to pawn their farm knowing that they have some blue chip prospects that possibly could be mentioned in the same breath as Santana in a couple of years. So Met fans, let’s not get panicky. Remember if the Mets wouldn’t have traded Nolan Ryan, they would have won the ’73 Series against Oakland. That staff would have had Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Jerry Koosman and Jon Matlack. Not a bad quartet, huh? It would have been the Mets that would have had the dynasty that the A’s enjoyed during that same period. I’ve been watching my Amazin’s since their inception in ’62 and I have suffered for many more seasons than I enjoyed but at 53, i have learned that patience is virtue. What if Humber and Mulvey become this year’s Aguilera and Tapani or more recently, Scott Kazmir? Sit back, let the brass do their job and I’m beginning to smell spring training right around the corner. PLAY BALL!!!!
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]]> By: Sinclair http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-35327 Sinclair Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:22:19 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/#comment-35327 I know they are only prospects and he is maybe the best picture on the planet but giving up F-Mart makes me want to throw up a little.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('35327','Sinclair'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('35327','Sinclair','I know they are only prospects and he is maybe the best picture on the planet but giving up F-Mart makes me want to throw up a little.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I know they are only prospects and he is maybe the best picture on the planet but giving up F-Mart makes me want to throw up a little.
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]]> By: kranepool http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-35227 kranepool Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:23:56 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/#comment-35227 I think Freddy Skill Sets and Uncle Saul have given thier blessing to make a big withdrawl from thier account in the Astoria Savings Bank and have given Omar to go ahead to sign Santana to a long term deal. The hang up is Jeffy wants Santana assigned to Brooklyn<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('35227','kranepool'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('35227','kranepool','I think Freddy Skill Sets and Uncle Saul have given thier blessing to make a big withdrawl from thier account in the Astoria Savings Bank and have given Omar to go ahead to sign Santana to a long term deal. The hang up is Jeffy wants Santana assigned to Brooklyn'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think Freddy Skill Sets and Uncle Saul have given thier blessing to make a big withdrawl from thier account in the Astoria Savings Bank and have given Omar to go ahead to sign Santana to a long term deal. The hang up is Jeffy wants Santana assigned to Brooklyn
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]]> By: Michael Leggett http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-35224 Michael Leggett Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:12:55 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/#comment-35224 ONLY If JEFFY Allows it: Maybe, it would be even better if Omar would tell Jeffy to go play with his trains, take a cue from "Fitzy" in Red Sox Land by telling Jeffy a Big "GFY", which stands for "Go F--- Yourself."<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('35224','Michael Leggett'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('35224','Michael Leggett','ONLY If JEFFY Allows it:\r\n\r\nMaybe, it would be even better if Omar would tell Jeffy to go play with his trains, take a cue from \"Fitzy\" in Red Sox Land by telling Jeffy a Big \"GFY\", which stands for \"Go F--- Yourself.\"'); return false;">Quote</a></div> ONLY If JEFFY Allows it:

Maybe, it would be even better if Omar would tell Jeffy to go play with his trains, take a cue from “Fitzy” in Red Sox Land by telling Jeffy a Big “GFY”, which stands for “Go F— Yourself.”

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]]> By: Frank from Jersey http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-35223 Frank from Jersey Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:04:53 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/#comment-35223 Santana gives you 200+ innings (workhorse to replace Glavine but who pitches deep into games saving the bullpen), is in the middle of his prime, is a lefty (always more valuable), is a strikeout pitcher and has dominated hitters in the AL for the past 5 years. Any AL hitter will tell you that he’s one of the pitchers they would least like to face. Everyone is saying he will get a 6 year $120 mil salary. The Mets will easily be able to pay that especially with the new stadium. As far as losing the farm for him, you know as well as I that Mets grossly overestimate their prospects. Not one Mets pitching prospect is projected at more than a #3 starter at best. Outfield prospects are easily replaceable as the free agent market always has quality outfielders for hire. No one is predicting Gomez or Martinez to even be a .300/ 30 / 100 guy – they are more speed guys with good defense. I’d gladly give up the farm for one of the most dominant pitchers of this age. Here’s your rotation:

Santana
Petey
Maine
Perez
El Duque / Pelfry

That rotation, and barring any major injuries wins us the division. Importantly, I must add, Delgado is a huge part of whether the Mets will run away with it or barely make it.

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]]> By: kranepool http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-35197 kranepool Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:44:35 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/#comment-35197 This no east decsion by any means as we see that from reports the Mets do not want to give up F-Mart in this deal. The key here is Santana forcing the Twins had as he wants to be able to make his spring training plans now. Do the Twins really want this playing out all season? This is the type of distraction that kills a team. It seems as we have to wait to see blinks first Omar or Bill Smith<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('35197','kranepool'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('35197','kranepool','This no east decsion by any means as we see that from reports the Mets do not want to give up F-Mart in this deal. The key here is Santana forcing the Twins had as he wants to be able to make his spring training plans now. Do the Twins really want this playing out all season? This is the type of distraction that kills a team. It seems as we have to wait to see blinks first Omar or Bill Smith'); return false;">Quote</a></div> This no east decsion by any means as we see that from reports the Mets do not want to give up F-Mart in this deal. The key here is Santana forcing the Twins had as he wants to be able to make his spring training plans now. Do the Twins really want this playing out all season? This is the type of distraction that kills a team. It seems as we have to wait to see blinks first Omar or Bill Smith
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]]> By: spo http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-35194 spo Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:31:51 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/#comment-35194 Either way I would NEVER give up Reyes. He wins more games single handedly than any pitcher. I don't think Santana, by himself, would make this the Mets' year, so let the young ones develop and go for free agents next year....although I could be wrong(lol) I HAVE been bellyaching for the Mets to finally have a #1 pitcher. I'm torn as you can see.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('35194','spo'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('35194','spo','Either way I would NEVER give up Reyes. He wins more games single handedly than any pitcher. I don\'t think Santana, by himself, would make this the Mets\' year, so let the young ones develop and go for free agents next year....although I could be wrong(lol)\r\n\r\nI HAVE been bellyaching for the Mets to finally have a #1 pitcher.\r\n\r\nI\'m torn as you can see.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Either way I would NEVER give up Reyes. He wins more games single handedly than any pitcher. I don’t think Santana, by himself, would make this the Mets’ year, so let the young ones develop and go for free agents next year….although I could be wrong(lol)

I HAVE been bellyaching for the Mets to finally have a #1 pitcher.

I’m torn as you can see.

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]]> By: Gary http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-35173 Gary Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:16:49 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/#comment-35173 Anyone remember Mike Hampton? Out of 5 prospects, odds are one or more will blossom. I'd not risk the trade and stick with the younguns.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('35173','Gary'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('35173','Gary','Anyone remember Mike Hampton?\r\n\r\nOut of 5 prospects, odds are one or more will blossom. I\'d not risk the trade and stick with the younguns.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Anyone remember Mike Hampton?

Out of 5 prospects, odds are one or more will blossom. I’d not risk the trade and stick with the younguns.

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]]> By: David in Manhattan http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-35123 David in Manhattan Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:41:14 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/01/10/take-the-deal-omar-take-the-deal/#comment-35123 Going for the one high-priced pitcher, giving up all these kids, it totally goes against the grain. For me, the question comes down to if we can be pretty sure that Santana gives us five excellent seasons as our lead starter, shifting Pedro and the rest down a peg in the order, in effect improving the entire rotation. I am guessing that Santana will be even better in the NL, and even more so at Shea, and let's go, make the blockbuster deal!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('35123','David in Manhattan'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('35123','David in Manhattan','Going for the one high-priced pitcher, giving up all these kids, it totally goes against the grain. For me, the question comes down to if we can be pretty sure that Santana gives us five excellent seasons as our lead starter, shifting Pedro and the rest down a peg in the order, in effect improving the entire rotation. \r\n\r\nI am guessing that Santana will be even better in the NL, and even more so at Shea, and let\'s go, make the blockbuster deal!!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Going for the one high-priced pitcher, giving up all these kids, it totally goes against the grain. For me, the question comes down to if we can be pretty sure that Santana gives us five excellent seasons as our lead starter, shifting Pedro and the rest down a peg in the order, in effect improving the entire rotation.

I am guessing that Santana will be even better in the NL, and even more so at Shea, and let’s go, make the blockbuster deal!!

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