Comments on: TIME TO FOLD UP THE TENT OMAR, SELL, SELL, SELL http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/ A daily account of the trials and tribulations of the New York Mets. Contact me at sinymets@aol.com Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:27:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Eagle http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-69337 Eagle Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:56:57 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/#comment-69337 Yes, the Greenies too. It was you who first put that idea in my head a couple of years ago. I remember after reading your site I went off reading about the situation in European sports. They banned those A LONG TIME ago, but still athletes try using them. In Europe they ban all sorts of things, even caffeine and ventolin (for asthma). I'm not sure I'd go that far in baseball. I think if it's acceptable for the guy at his desk to use coffee to get through the day, then it's acceptable to use it on a baseball team. As much as possible ballplayers should be great athletes born out of natural ability and hard work. Anyway, decreased energy levels (& possibly concentration issues?) on the playing field should be one of the effects of the ban on the "greenies". I've wondered about that with a couple of Mets - one in particular. There's no reason to assume that any of the Mets was pure before the ban on chemical enhancements. What shocks me is that Omar seems to believe they were.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('69337','Eagle'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('69337','Eagle','Yes, the Greenies too. It was you who first put that idea in my head a couple of years ago. I remember after reading your site I went off reading about the situation in European sports. They banned those A LONG TIME ago, but still athletes try using them.\r\n\r\nIn Europe they ban all sorts of things, even caffeine and ventolin (for asthma). I\'m not sure I\'d go that far in baseball. I think if it\'s acceptable for the guy at his desk to use coffee to get through the day, then it\'s acceptable to use it on a baseball team. As much as possible ballplayers should be great athletes born out of natural ability and hard work.\r\n\r\nAnyway, decreased energy levels (& possibly concentration issues?) on the playing field should be one of the effects of the ban on the \"greenies\". I\'ve wondered about that with a couple of Mets - one in particular. \r\n\r\nThere\'s no reason to assume that any of the Mets was pure before the ban on chemical enhancements. What shocks me is that Omar seems to believe they were.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Yes, the Greenies too. It was you who first put that idea in my head a couple of years ago. I remember after reading your site I went off reading about the situation in European sports. They banned those A LONG TIME ago, but still athletes try using them.

In Europe they ban all sorts of things, even caffeine and ventolin (for asthma). I’m not sure I’d go that far in baseball. I think if it’s acceptable for the guy at his desk to use coffee to get through the day, then it’s acceptable to use it on a baseball team. As much as possible ballplayers should be great athletes born out of natural ability and hard work.

Anyway, decreased energy levels (& possibly concentration issues?) on the playing field should be one of the effects of the ban on the “greenies”. I’ve wondered about that with a couple of Mets – one in particular.

There’s no reason to assume that any of the Mets was pure before the ban on chemical enhancements. What shocks me is that Omar seems to believe they were.

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]]> By: kranepool http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-69231 kranepool Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:50:26 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/#comment-69231 It's not just steriods and HGH but how about the "Greenies" as well that gave old guys that pick me up they needed and now can't get anymore? The Ryan Church injury and the way it's been handled has been sorely under reported by the main streamers as much digging as they do on who Roger Clemens was banging and what Barry Bonds was hiding no one has looked into and reported how and why the Mets could string Church along like they have.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('69231','kranepool'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('69231','kranepool','It\'s not just steriods and HGH but how about the \"Greenies\" as well that gave old guys that pick me up they needed and now can\'t get anymore?\r\n\r\nThe Ryan Church injury and the way it\'s been handled has been sorely under reported by the main streamers as much digging as they do on who Roger Clemens was banging and what Barry Bonds was hiding no one has looked into and reported how and why the Mets could string Church along like they have.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It’s not just steriods and HGH but how about the “Greenies” as well that gave old guys that pick me up they needed and now can’t get anymore?

The Ryan Church injury and the way it’s been handled has been sorely under reported by the main streamers as much digging as they do on who Roger Clemens was banging and what Barry Bonds was hiding no one has looked into and reported how and why the Mets could string Church along like they have.

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]]> By: rob http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-69216 rob Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:58:20 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/#comment-69216 FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!! OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!! FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!! OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!! FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!! OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('69216','rob'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('69216','rob','FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!\r\nOMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!\r\nFIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!\r\nOMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!\r\nFIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!\r\nOMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!
OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!
FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!
OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!
FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!FIRE OMAR !!!!!!!!
OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!OMAR MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!
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]]> By: Rich http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-69149 Rich Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:31:42 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/#comment-69149 That was devastating...wow<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('69149','Rich'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('69149','Rich','That was devastating...wow'); return false;">Quote</a></div> That was devastating…wow
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]]> By: Rich http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-69137 Rich Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:34:45 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/#comment-69137 Eagle, You make a good point. In the "chemical enhancement" era, guys were successful into their late 30's and early 40's. Not any more...this will be a huge change in baseball. I just don't get why Omar does not seem to recognize the value of youth. Is it as simple as his need for immediate gratification? But is that not the case for GMs on a short rope? He never was. I want Pagan back. Even off the bench, he brings enthusiasm and hustle, every day, no questions. We need more guys like that. I understand Angel is getting close, working on that right shoulder injury from LA. Contender or not, I'd get rid of Delgado and Alou today if I ran the show. Inject some youth, look at the enthusiasm Joba brings across town. It works. Old guys who don't hustle (Delgado), they don't work.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('69137','Rich'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('69137','Rich','Eagle,\r\n\r\nYou make a good point. In the \"chemical enhancement\" era, guys were successful into their late 30\'s and early 40\'s. Not any more...this will be a huge change in baseball. I just don\'t get why Omar does not seem to recognize the value of youth. Is it as simple as his need for immediate gratification? But is that not the case for GMs on a short rope? He never was. \r\n\r\nI want Pagan back. Even off the bench, he brings enthusiasm and hustle, every day, no questions. We need more guys like that. I understand Angel is getting close, working on that right shoulder injury from LA. \r\n\r\nContender or not, I\'d get rid of Delgado and Alou today if I ran the show. Inject some youth, look at the enthusiasm Joba brings across town. It works. Old guys who don\'t hustle (Delgado), they don\'t work.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Eagle,

You make a good point. In the “chemical enhancement” era, guys were successful into their late 30′s and early 40′s. Not any more…this will be a huge change in baseball. I just don’t get why Omar does not seem to recognize the value of youth. Is it as simple as his need for immediate gratification? But is that not the case for GMs on a short rope? He never was.

I want Pagan back. Even off the bench, he brings enthusiasm and hustle, every day, no questions. We need more guys like that. I understand Angel is getting close, working on that right shoulder injury from LA.

Contender or not, I’d get rid of Delgado and Alou today if I ran the show. Inject some youth, look at the enthusiasm Joba brings across town. It works. Old guys who don’t hustle (Delgado), they don’t work.

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]]> By: Eagle http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-69124 Eagle Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:28:54 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/#comment-69124 Steve I want to say you were all over the Church issue from the word 'Go'. Howie was too. He put his NHL experience to work and questioned the handling from the beginning.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('69124','Eagle'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('69124','Eagle','Steve\r\n\r\nI want to say you were all over the Church issue from the word \'Go\'. Howie was too. He put his NHL experience to work and questioned the handling from the beginning.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Steve

I want to say you were all over the Church issue from the word ‘Go’. Howie was too. He put his NHL experience to work and questioned the handling from the beginning.

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]]> By: Eagle http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-69123 Eagle Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:17:28 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/#comment-69123 Not sure why the name came up as "Irish_eagle". Something odd happened with this pc that seems to have remembered things that I thought were long forgotten.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('69123','Eagle'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('69123','Eagle','Not sure why the name came up as \"Irish_eagle\". Something odd happened with this pc that seems to have remembered things that I thought were long forgotten.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Not sure why the name came up as “Irish_eagle”. Something odd happened with this pc that seems to have remembered things that I thought were long forgotten.
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]]> By: irish_eagle http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-69122 irish_eagle Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:16:25 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/#comment-69122 I should add that I've been convinced for some time that the effects of these changes would take 2-3 years to play out completely. We'll see more player with "inexplicably declining" power numbers probably through next year. Also there'll be far fewer players playing through their late 30s.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('69122','irish_eagle'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('69122','irish_eagle','I should add that I\'ve been convinced for some time that the effects of these changes would take 2-3 years to play out completely. We\'ll see more player with \"inexplicably declining\" power numbers probably through next year. Also there\'ll be far fewer players playing through their late 30s.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I should add that I’ve been convinced for some time that the effects of these changes would take 2-3 years to play out completely. We’ll see more player with “inexplicably declining” power numbers probably through next year. Also there’ll be far fewer players playing through their late 30s.
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]]> By: irish_eagle http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-69121 irish_eagle Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:14:45 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/#comment-69121 I'm with Rich. The team's simply not that good. Omar was the last GM to realize how much things had changed when the new rules on chemical enhancements were brought in.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('69121','irish_eagle'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('69121','irish_eagle','I\'m with Rich. The team\'s simply not that good. \r\n\r\nOmar was the last GM to realize how much things had changed when the new rules on chemical enhancements were brought in.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I’m with Rich. The team’s simply not that good.

Omar was the last GM to realize how much things had changed when the new rules on chemical enhancements were brought in.

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]]> By: Rich http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/comment-page-1/#comment-69105 Rich Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:19:39 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/06/08/time-to-fold-up-the-tent-omar-sell-sell-sell/#comment-69105 Thanks, Steve, for this post. I have been writing all year that it is ridiculous that Omar gets no blame. Think about it...we just had to call up Nunez, who was hitting .133 at AAA. Cerrone wrote "are they actually trying to put a competitive 25 people out there?" The team is founded on the fatally flawed concept that players over 35 have good years ahead of them. You referenced them...Alou, El Duque, Delgado. It does not work, and do you know what it is, it is 1992 all over again. Substitute Harazin for Minaya, and it is the same thing. It comes down to this. If you think this is an underschieving team, then the blame goes to Willie. But if you think the team simply is not that good and not well constructed, then the blame goes to Omar. I believe the second one is the case, in a big way.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('69105','Rich'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('69105','Rich','Thanks, Steve, for this post. I have been writing all year that it is ridiculous that Omar gets no blame. Think about it...we just had to call up Nunez, who was hitting .133 at AAA. Cerrone wrote \"are they actually trying to put a competitive 25 people out there?\" The team is founded on the fatally flawed concept that players over 35 have good years ahead of them. You referenced them...Alou, El Duque, Delgado. It does not work, and do you know what it is, it is 1992 all over again. Substitute Harazin for Minaya, and it is the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nIt comes down to this. If you think this is an underschieving team, then the blame goes to Willie. But if you think the team simply is not that good and not well constructed, then the blame goes to Omar. I believe the second one is the case, in a big way.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Thanks, Steve, for this post. I have been writing all year that it is ridiculous that Omar gets no blame. Think about it…we just had to call up Nunez, who was hitting .133 at AAA. Cerrone wrote “are they actually trying to put a competitive 25 people out there?” The team is founded on the fatally flawed concept that players over 35 have good years ahead of them. You referenced them…Alou, El Duque, Delgado. It does not work, and do you know what it is, it is 1992 all over again. Substitute Harazin for Minaya, and it is the same thing.

It comes down to this. If you think this is an underschieving team, then the blame goes to Willie. But if you think the team simply is not that good and not well constructed, then the blame goes to Omar. I believe the second one is the case, in a big way.

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