Comments on: IT WAS THE WORST OF TIMES AND THE BEST OF TIMES http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/ A daily account of the trials and tribulations of the New York Mets. Contact me at sinymets@aol.com Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:39:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: John Q http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/comment-page-1/#comment-115615 John Q Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:03:03 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/?p=727#comment-115615 I think this is a by-product of teams having their own networks. They want to present their/OUR teams with no worts, no blemishes, no conflicts. What your left with is a very bland and sanitized version of their/OUR history. According to Sny/Mets organization: 1-The Mets never made a bad trade except for Tom Seaver. 2-No mention of Nolan Ryan, Amos Otis, Ken Singleton, Staub/Lolitch, David Cone, Jeff Kent, Scott Kazmir, Heath Bell, Brian Banister, Matt Lindstrom. 3-The Mets never made a bad free-agent signing. 4-The Mets never fired a manager or a general manager.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('115615','John Q'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('115615','John Q','I think this is a by-product of teams having their own networks. They want to present their\/OUR teams with no worts, no blemishes, no conflicts. What your left with is a very bland and sanitized version of their\/OUR history.\r\n\r\nAccording to Sny\/Mets organization:\r\n \r\n1-The Mets never made a bad trade except for Tom Seaver.\r\n\r\n2-No mention of Nolan Ryan, Amos Otis, Ken Singleton, Staub\/Lolitch, David Cone, Jeff Kent, Scott Kazmir, Heath Bell, Brian Banister, Matt Lindstrom.\r\n\r\n3-The Mets never made a bad free-agent signing. \r\n\r\n4-The Mets never fired a manager or a general manager.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think this is a by-product of teams having their own networks. They want to present their/OUR teams with no worts, no blemishes, no conflicts. What your left with is a very bland and sanitized version of their/OUR history.

According to Sny/Mets organization:

1-The Mets never made a bad trade except for Tom Seaver.

2-No mention of Nolan Ryan, Amos Otis, Ken Singleton, Staub/Lolitch, David Cone, Jeff Kent, Scott Kazmir, Heath Bell, Brian Banister, Matt Lindstrom.

3-The Mets never made a bad free-agent signing.

4-The Mets never fired a manager or a general manager.

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]]> By: kranepool http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/comment-page-1/#comment-115311 kranepool Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:43:11 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/?p=727#comment-115311 John Q you are so right the Mets just go over the same stories over and over again never is the name Wes Westrum or Dallas Green talked about how about Bernard Gillkey and Lance Johnson? Why not do stories on what went wrong in the 90's with this franchise We all know about the 86 team and the 69 team it would help to educated the fans on all the lean years as well<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('115311','kranepool'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('115311','kranepool','John Q you are so right the Mets just go over the same stories over and over again never is the name Wes Westrum or Dallas Green talked about how about Bernard Gillkey and Lance Johnson? Why not do stories on what went wrong in the 90\'s with this franchise We all know about the 86 team and the 69 team it would help to educated the fans on all the lean years as well'); return false;">Quote</a></div> John Q you are so right the Mets just go over the same stories over and over again never is the name Wes Westrum or Dallas Green talked about how about Bernard Gillkey and Lance Johnson? Why not do stories on what went wrong in the 90’s with this franchise We all know about the 86 team and the 69 team it would help to educated the fans on all the lean years as well
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]]> By: John Q http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/comment-page-1/#comment-115162 John Q Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:26:56 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/?p=727#comment-115162 Also, there should have been some mention of Bobby Jones and his 1 hitter to clinch the NLDS in 2000. I was at that game and it's my favorite Mets memory. Also, I think it's the most under-rated moment in Mets history. The most over-rated was the Grand Slam Single.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('115162','John Q'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('115162','John Q','Also, there should have been some mention of Bobby Jones and his 1 hitter to clinch the NLDS in 2000.\r\n\r\nI was at that game and it\'s my favorite Mets memory. Also, I think it\'s the most under-rated moment in Mets history.\r\n\r\nThe most over-rated was the Grand Slam Single.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Also, there should have been some mention of Bobby Jones and his 1 hitter to clinch the NLDS in 2000.

I was at that game and it’s my favorite Mets memory. Also, I think it’s the most under-rated moment in Mets history.

The most over-rated was the Grand Slam Single.

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]]> By: John Q http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/comment-page-1/#comment-115135 John Q Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:34:59 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/?p=727#comment-115135 One thing that bugs me about SNY or the Mets oraganization in general is the way they "Gloss Over" "White Wash" or simply ignore certain periods in their history i.e, The Pre-championship Mets or 1965-1968, The Disco Mets of 1977-1983, The Worst Team Money could buy teams of 1991-1994, The Generation K teams of 1995-1997, or the Fred Coupon teams of 2001-2004. I know those weren't the best of times but it's OUR history and OUR memories, good or bad it's still our history. Also, there is more to the "Good" times than just 1969 & 1986. The 1973 team is woefully, under-represented as is the 1970-1976 period in general. Also, there is more to the 80's than just 1986. How about the 1985 team or the 1988 team. or 87 or 84 for that matter. And there's more to the 99 and 2000 than just a grand slam single and Clemens throwing a bat. Besides if we wanted to follow a team that considers anything less than world championships a failure we would be Yankees fans. According to SNY and Mets organization our history consists of: 1-The loveable losers of 1962 & Casey Stengel 2-Shea Stadium opening in 1964 3-1969 Mets 4-1969 Mets 5-1969 Mets 6-1970-Tom Seaver & Jimmy Qualls 7-1973-Tug Mcgraw saying "You gotta believe" 8-1977-Tom Seaver getting traded 9-1983-Tom Seaver coming Back 10-1983-Keith Hernandez coming over in a trade. 11-1985-Gary Carter coming over in a trade. 12-1986 Mets 13-1986 Mets 14-1986 Mets & Bill Buckner 15-1998-Mike Piazza coming from the Marlins 16-1999-Grand Slam Single 17-2000-Clemens throwing the bat a Piazza 18-2001-Piazza 9/11 home run 19-2006-N.L. east champs 20-Endy Chavez catch<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('115135','John Q'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('115135','John Q','One thing that bugs me about SNY or the Mets oraganization in general is the way they \"Gloss Over\" \"White Wash\" or simply ignore certain periods in their history i.e, The Pre-championship Mets or 1965-1968, The Disco Mets of 1977-1983, The Worst Team Money could buy teams of 1991-1994, The Generation K teams of 1995-1997, or the Fred Coupon teams of 2001-2004.\r\n\r\nI know those weren\'t the best of times but it\'s OUR history and OUR memories, good or bad it\'s still our history.\r\n\r\nAlso, there is more to the \"Good\" times than just 1969 & 1986.\r\n\r\nThe 1973 team is woefully, under-represented as is the 1970-1976 period in general.\r\n\r\nAlso, there is more to the 80\'s than just 1986. How about the 1985 team or the 1988 team. or 87 or 84 for that matter.\r\n\r\nAnd there\'s more to the 99 and 2000 than just a grand slam single and Clemens throwing a bat.\r\n\r\nBesides if we wanted to follow a team that considers anything less than world championships a failure we would be Yankees fans.\r\n\r\nAccording to SNY and Mets organization our history consists of:\r\n\r\n1-The loveable losers of 1962 & Casey Stengel\r\n2-Shea Stadium opening in 1964\r\n3-1969 Mets\r\n4-1969 Mets\r\n5-1969 Mets\r\n6-1970-Tom Seaver & Jimmy Qualls\r\n7-1973-Tug Mcgraw saying \"You gotta believe\"\r\n8-1977-Tom Seaver getting traded\r\n9-1983-Tom Seaver coming Back\r\n10-1983-Keith Hernandez coming over in a trade.\r\n11-1985-Gary Carter coming over in a trade.\r\n12-1986 Mets\r\n13-1986 Mets\r\n14-1986 Mets & Bill Buckner\r\n15-1998-Mike Piazza coming from the Marlins\r\n16-1999-Grand Slam Single\r\n17-2000-Clemens throwing the bat a Piazza\r\n18-2001-Piazza 9\/11 home run\r\n19-2006-N.L. east champs\r\n20-Endy Chavez catch'); return false;">Quote</a></div> One thing that bugs me about SNY or the Mets oraganization in general is the way they “Gloss Over” “White Wash” or simply ignore certain periods in their history i.e, The Pre-championship Mets or 1965-1968, The Disco Mets of 1977-1983, The Worst Team Money could buy teams of 1991-1994, The Generation K teams of 1995-1997, or the Fred Coupon teams of 2001-2004.

I know those weren’t the best of times but it’s OUR history and OUR memories, good or bad it’s still our history.

Also, there is more to the “Good” times than just 1969 & 1986.

The 1973 team is woefully, under-represented as is the 1970-1976 period in general.

Also, there is more to the 80’s than just 1986. How about the 1985 team or the 1988 team. or 87 or 84 for that matter.

And there’s more to the 99 and 2000 than just a grand slam single and Clemens throwing a bat.

Besides if we wanted to follow a team that considers anything less than world championships a failure we would be Yankees fans.

According to SNY and Mets organization our history consists of:

1-The loveable losers of 1962 & Casey Stengel
2-Shea Stadium opening in 1964
3-1969 Mets
4-1969 Mets
5-1969 Mets
6-1970-Tom Seaver & Jimmy Qualls
7-1973-Tug Mcgraw saying “You gotta believe”
8-1977-Tom Seaver getting traded
9-1983-Tom Seaver coming Back
10-1983-Keith Hernandez coming over in a trade.
11-1985-Gary Carter coming over in a trade.
12-1986 Mets
13-1986 Mets
14-1986 Mets & Bill Buckner
15-1998-Mike Piazza coming from the Marlins
16-1999-Grand Slam Single
17-2000-Clemens throwing the bat a Piazza
18-2001-Piazza 9/11 home run
19-2006-N.L. east champs
20-Endy Chavez catch

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]]> By: Jack Heidemann http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/comment-page-1/#comment-115055 Jack Heidemann Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:13:44 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/?p=727#comment-115055 John Q - I have a similar story. I was at the last home game of the 1993 season, when the Stems lost 103 games. We won that night - Eddie Murray hit a huge bomb to dead center. We tried to go down to the field level for the final inning and they still had that chain link gate there. They wouldn't let us (2 of a crowd of 2,000) sit in the good seats for one inning. Imagine - the people who pay to see a 103 loss team in late September in Grant's Tomb and they wouldn't let us in.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('115055','Jack Heidemann'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('115055','Jack Heidemann','John Q - I have a similar story.\r\n\r\nI was at the last home game of the 1993 season, when the Stems lost 103 games. We won that night - Eddie Murray hit a huge bomb to dead center.\r\n\r\nWe tried to go down to the field level for the final inning and they still had that chain link gate there. They wouldn\'t let us (2 of a crowd of 2,000) sit in the good seats for one inning. Imagine - the people who pay to see a 103 loss team in late September in Grant\'s Tomb and they wouldn\'t let us in.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> John Q – I have a similar story.

I was at the last home game of the 1993 season, when the Stems lost 103 games. We won that night – Eddie Murray hit a huge bomb to dead center.

We tried to go down to the field level for the final inning and they still had that chain link gate there. They wouldn’t let us (2 of a crowd of 2,000) sit in the good seats for one inning. Imagine – the people who pay to see a 103 loss team in late September in Grant’s Tomb and they wouldn’t let us in.

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]]> By: kranepool http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/comment-page-1/#comment-114986 kranepool Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:34:07 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/?p=727#comment-114986 John "The Hammer" Milner should have been mentioned and I'd have loved to have seen Willie Mon-ten-ezz there as well. Even better would have been Richie Hebner to come out and give the fans the finger for old time sake<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('114986','kranepool'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('114986','kranepool','John \"The Hammer\" Milner should have been mentioned and I\'d have loved to have seen Willie Mon-ten-ezz there as well. Even better would have been Richie Hebner to come out and give the fans the finger for old time sake'); return false;">Quote</a></div> John “The Hammer” Milner should have been mentioned and I’d have loved to have seen Willie Mon-ten-ezz there as well. Even better would have been Richie Hebner to come out and give the fans the finger for old time sake
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]]> By: Rich http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/comment-page-1/#comment-114972 Rich Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:29:31 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/?p=727#comment-114972 My "loveable losers" comment referred to the 62-68 Mets. There is nothing loveable now, I agree.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('114972','Rich'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('114972','Rich','My \"loveable losers\" comment referred to the 62-68 Mets. There is nothing loveable now, I agree.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> My “loveable losers” comment referred to the 62-68 Mets. There is nothing loveable now, I agree.
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]]> By: John Q http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/comment-page-1/#comment-114870 John Q Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:42:39 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/?p=727#comment-114870 You are spot on about the ushers and security guards at shea, worst in major league baseball. I remember being at a rain-out make up game against the Brewers in July of 2003. There were literally 3-4 thousand people in the place and the Mets were losing 6-2. Their were a couple of kids who moved down to the lodge next to me. You would have thought the kids stole a thousand dollars the way the ushers were yelling at them. They shoud have pinned a medal on those kids for coming to that game in 2003. Also, no mention of John Milner?? one of my all time favorite Mets.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('114870','John Q'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('114870','John Q','You are spot on about the ushers and security guards at shea, worst in major league baseball.\r\n\r\nI remember being at a rain-out make up game against the Brewers in July of 2003. There were literally 3-4 thousand people in the place and the Mets were losing 6-2. Their were a couple of kids who moved down to the lodge next to me. You would have thought the kids stole a thousand dollars the way the ushers were yelling at them. They shoud have pinned a medal on those kids for coming to that game in 2003.\r\n\r\nAlso, no mention of John Milner?? one of my all time favorite Mets.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> You are spot on about the ushers and security guards at shea, worst in major league baseball.

I remember being at a rain-out make up game against the Brewers in July of 2003. There were literally 3-4 thousand people in the place and the Mets were losing 6-2. Their were a couple of kids who moved down to the lodge next to me. You would have thought the kids stole a thousand dollars the way the ushers were yelling at them. They shoud have pinned a medal on those kids for coming to that game in 2003.

Also, no mention of John Milner?? one of my all time favorite Mets.

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]]> By: SteveP http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/comment-page-1/#comment-114864 SteveP Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:09:38 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/?p=727#comment-114864 BTW–Great blog, I still have the full size Ed Kranepool poster that was in my room as a youth.

Some thoughts about the funeral/tribute to Shea following yesterday’s game:

Final pitch–Seaver to Piazza….great touch, fitting exit

Nice to see Willie Mays and Yogi Berra on hand…why couldn’t Howie refer to Willie as baseball’s greatest living player? (something I hear Joe DiMaggio insisted upon for Old Timer’s appearances) Many of us believe he was THE greatest player (living or dead).

Sad they could not get to come back: Jerry Grote, Nolan Ryan, Ray Knight, Mookie Wilson, Davey Johnson, Jon Matlack

Puzzled to see they did invite back: Doug Flynn, George Foster, Jim McAndrew (wasn’t Doug Sisk available?)

Personal Faves: Eddie Kranepool, Felix Millan, Jerry Koosman

Still looked great: Cleon Jones, John Stearns, Bud Harrelson

Where was Doc Gooden’s parole officer?

Returning Alumni I want to hear more about his post baseball career: George Theodore (doesn’t he look like a Seinfeld character?)

Why no mention of Bobby V?

Imagine what this ceremony had been like if 56,059+ fans had not just gotten their hearts ripped from their chests less than 30 minutes before.

Just my $.02

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]]> By: not lovable losers http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/2008/09/29/it-was-the-worst-of-times-and-the-best-of-times/comment-page-1/#comment-114851 not lovable losers Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:40:00 +0000 http://www.kranepoolsociety.com/?p=727#comment-114851 “I’m fucking sick of being loveable losers, then a team that teams love to beat and laugh at. Time for a karma change, first the stadium, then the team on the field, if you ask me. Maybe Citi will be the start of our Braves-like run. I’m ready for it.”

Ummm…NOTHING loveable about these losers. They are very hatable losers. Not individually. There’s no Timo Perez (ie, easilty hatable) guy in this bunch. Collectively, I detest them and their gutlessness.

Re Citi Field changing our luck: don’t kid yourself. This is not yet rock bottom. An alcoholic has to hit rock bottom before he quits for good. Fred’s addiction to humiliation and failure has not peaked. When it does, he will sell and then we can think about recovery.

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